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There were only 5 persons in the discussion, from 4 different countries. There were no introductions, so everyone was asked to tell about their own interests in regards to the working group.

• Since S11, strategy of the power in regards to our movement has changed. Before they tried to integrate us, no they want to show us as crazy maniacs.
• Our organisation works in many different fields, we work with immigrants, we try to create some free places to the suburbs. We plan to organise a large project in Amsterdam, weekly occupations in the streets where to tell about about alternatives to the present system. Third field of our activity is globalization from below. Repression is connected to all of these fields. There exists a large gap between radical left and the society. We try to close this this gap. All of our activity faces some repression, for example we have anti-deportation campaign and now KLM's security service is monitoring us. KLM threated us with a court. We try to be a step ahead of the repression.
• Our group in Germany is involved in anti-militarist work. Now we are discussion about the militarization of the society. EU is creating new threatening laws against terrorism.
• In Holland, a law to remain anonymous in the appeal process was removed, altough right to remain anonymous in the custody still remains. Still people who try to remain anonymous are arrested for much longer times and they face all other kinds of pressure as well. We should also focus on repression by large corporations.
• It is frustrating that all what I do nowadays ends up to a court case. The parallel mainstream media does here in Holland between killing of Pim Fortuyn and throwing him with a pie is very typical, immediately after the killing of Fortuyn pie-throwers were jailed for 3 days, without his death it would not have ever happened.
• I have heard from Sweden, that experience of Gothenburg has strenghtened the Swedish movement. Maybe the same happened in Italy after Genoa.
• I have recognised in Germany, that we must change the street strategies, otherwise everyone just gets burned out. Suddendly dozens of people get arrested for nothing, many with heavy felony charges. Radical actions work only in very well coordinated, small and closed level.
• But this model of organisation is very elitistic!
• I had a very strong experience about Strasbourg, we were completely unprepared to and demoralised by the repression. The main topic of the camp should have been the action against SIS, now it was in the last day when every street action had been banned for days and sort of a failure. It should have been in the first day.
• (In Denmark) it used to be possible to work as part of larger reformist coalitions, they still want us but without any solidarity, giving all the kind of strict declarations and requirements and stabbing our back in the first occasion when something goes against their plans. Now we try to organise on our own, actions where people may just have some fun.
• I am so tired with discussion about violence, when do these reformists realize that sooner or later they get beated were they masked or not, and were they breaking something or not?
• But in Russia it is already like that, in Moscow 28th of May OMON special forces trashed 80 strong peaceful demonstration called by trotskists in the cover of Attac, picking up 30 persons and beating them up one hour when they were arrested. This is actually the present future of West as well, since the action was banned they had right to do anything. In West as well more and more actions will be banned.
• In Netherlands, police has started to check people's documents even when they are not yet legally forced to show them. Some completely normal, non-leftist people have been really angered and contacted us. We should be able to use this kind of feelings.
• I got my DNA taken in the UK. They claim that they destroyed it when I was cleaned from charges, but who knows which kind of backups they have? They also used some violence since I refused to give it at first.
• In Denmark, social security number was introduced some 20 years ago. This has made life of illegal immigrants we are helping radically more difficult, they are completely forced to work in prostitution or other such kind of business connected to the criminal world. It is a difference with France, there are so many immigrants that they just cannot be their eyes on them all the time. In Denmark there is no such community of illegals, and life is much harder.
• Maybe repression makes our movement more stronger, aware of the world around us.
• There is a very radical development in Germany, Stoiber has promised that army will be used against demonstrators if he wins the coming-up elections.
• I was in Yerusalem lately, and arabic areas were an example about how long the surveillance may go. In each space like this room there were 4 or some cameras. But still the people got used, and resistance took new forms.
• One field is completely lacking in our discussion, it is the prisoner solidarity. For example in Germany people seem to have completely forgotten, that there still are people for RAF actions imprisoned, people who have been in there the last 20 years.
• I think animal rightists have organised this one the best way, they have really well organised prisoner support network.
• I have also recognised that (in Germany) people are less and less aware about how they should behave when arrested, they are giving testimony against themselves and the others just to get away more faster.
• In Holland there is an old fund which pays peoples fines and gives other legal support, it has been bit unactive lately and there are no enough donations, but we try to activate it again.
• Activism should not be just a play. People should be aware, that there might be some very serious consequences from it. A week-end in jail is hardly a problem to anyone, but 8 months is. The raising repression gives more and more challenges to the prisoner support work.
• It is clear that police will ban actions. In Strasbourg, people were so damn afraid, it was so demoralizing that they were silenced. Huge feeling of the weakness.
• Very good example of functioning prisoner solidarity is the Polish Anarchist Black Cross. It is propably the most functioning part of the international network. They even have an insurance system to insure you against any kind of repression, both fines and lawyer costs. This insurance covers 600 persons in Poland.
• In Denmark we have also a functioning support group. It has helped Danish prisoners of international mobilization.
• In Berlin we have also such a group which has helped the German arrested.
• But the problem in this kind of organisation is that people of less-active countries maybe do not get support. The guy who got the biggest sentence after Prague was a Hungarian, and no-one knew him.
• In Sweden, after the difficulties of the beginning, the solidarity group helped also the Danish and German arrested.
• Young people who have just got involved should understand importance of the legal support work.
• In Holland, they use more and more criminal damage-charges. And refusal to obey police order is usual as well.
• Maybe more important that not getting afraid of the depression is to be flexible and prepared.
• Actually I think most important is to keep doing the thing we are doing. For example in Strasbourg some people wanted to organise 24 hour picket in front of the police station, but if I was arrested, I would have had rather liked people to organise as good other actions as possible and not to spend so much efforts to solidarity with arrested ones, it would have had result of police success to disturb us.
• As a sort of conclusion, maybe I would say that we need more readiness to examine ones strategies. We need support groups.
• And embassy actions. If there is repression in Russia, people in Berlin should be immediately in the embassy doing something. Like in the eighties when there were demonstrations against Reagan in Berlin, people were dancing in the streets of Managua...
• We need to be in the streets, not just e-mail bombing” and we should inform the large public what is going on.
• For example I have been planning to have demonstration against mobile phone companies, with theme « if you want to monitor us, it is you who should pay, not me!»
• Yes, one functioning small support group is definitely better than e-mail appeal sent to ten thousand adresses. The latter seldom results any reaction. But if we need some e-mail network, the one of North-American Anarchist Black Cross Network has a quite well-functioning structure.
• In Holland, a large company which has movie theatres, casinos and other such places banned me for a year from their area after a small action against small part of their activities.
• Maybe we should make difference between civil rights and human rights here. Sometimes I feel like civil rights are much more violated in West although human rights are much more violated in Russia. In Finland it is total control, if you do not pay your fines you are sure as hell imprisoned some day. And if you have to pay compensation for damages, they for sure will get any sum of money squeezed from your tax refunds. Civil rights violations are not dangerous but they demoralize you, for example in Finland there was a time when certain people got their houses searched and computers taken every year. But in Russia this total control does not work, if they order you to go to court for a misdemeanor but leave you to go before that you will never be sentenced, you case won't be in computer but in some cardfile with billions of other cards. Instead the control in Russia is much more irrational and hard-handed, you maybe won't get beaten up but you may as well get beaten up very much, and activists still get killed once a while by police or by private security guards.